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Stop Complaining March 15, 2013 at 11:06 AM
If a category 3 hit Long Beach, not only would be a strip of sand, but the entire island would beRead Morecr ushed. There is nothing the city can do to protect us from that. And while this storm wasn't a hurricane, it's impt to note that the barometric pressure was equivalent to that of mid range category hurricane. That coupled with a full moon and two high tides made for a huge surge. My previous comments weren't directed at you (me). I respect that this is a forum where ideas are shared but there are a lot of Monday morning quarterbacks that like to complain from behind their computer screen.
Richard Horn March 15, 2013 at 03:11 PM
one more comment about IPE wood. While it doesn't split like that crap pressure treated wood, itRead Morest ill splits somewhat. It also becomes very dull, and It should be treated every couple of years to bring back luster and keep splitting to a minimum. We have harsh beach weather here, and concrete is the way to go. One other point about the IPE wood, It does need longer stronger screws, but that won't help stability, as they will be screwed into pressure treated wood joists, which aren't worth crap. Hey Jay, how much to pressure wash and treat a two mile deck every few years.
RhondaVW March 15, 2013 at 03:39 PM
Hi Richard. I agree as I have seen the difference between Ipe on a NYC park bench and Ipe on aRead Morecoast al boardwalk. And as for questioning engineers I think the fact that engineers are designing a boardwalk where ipe is attached to treated joists that will fail way before the decking as you point out gives everybody the right to question their other decisions.:)
Ned Schneebly March 08, 2013 at 04:56 PM
Oh please Mona.
Lloyd March 08, 2013 at 05:06 PM
We badly need a drive in kennel instead. Just drive your dog or cat or there and they pull him outRead Morer ight thru the.open window.
Leonard Bauman March 08, 2013 at 09:22 PM
Ha! Ha! Ha!
Charlie K March 18, 2013 at 12:01 AM
Sitting here watching the news and just saw this article and video about the Seaside HeightsRead Morerebuild ... Long beach has got to get their act together! http://tinyurl.com/c5g4ce8
Hamburger March 18, 2013 at 06:54 AM
Longbeacher March 18, 2013 at 08:28 AM
this admin is a joke ,i hope lb opens there eyes to what a bunch of nothings we have running thisRead Moreci ty and vote them out ,i have never before felt like selling my house and leaving ,theres like a bad vibe down here ,its like 1973 ,maybe the warm weather will change it ,but i havent heard a word to whats going on in the city ,last thing i got in the mail was for storm drains .if we don't enforce sanatation laws , how do we stop the garbage in our sewer ?
Jack February 24, 2013 at 07:07 PM
Be aware: they are environmental Marxists attempting to impose Marxist/ socialist ideals by way ofRead Moree nvironmental engineering (central planning) and enacting affordable housing planning. They believe that White people fled the cities to the suburbs and left the poor colored people to fend for themselves in urban decay. (Completely ignoring that minorities destroyed the cities with their welfare attitudes) Their ultimat goal is to build stalinist housing blocks and force suburbanites into substandard housing so that no one gets an advantage.
Long Beach Johnson February 27, 2013 at 10:16 AM
OK Buddy, turn off Fox News. Now there are conspiracies from Marxists? If you have any sense ofRead Morewh at is going on in the metro area you will realize that families are returning to the city. Areas in Brooklyn, Queen and Manhattan are up and coming. You NEED to leave your TV and go out in the world.
Me February 26, 2013 at 09:34 AM
I am no hydrologist or coastal scientist but it just seems to me that we could easily put some kind Read Moreof a seawall hidden inside the dunes and under the boardwalk as a backup. How hard could it really be to just put in a wall of sheet pile, be it steel or composite, and cover it up with the dunes? It is a backup plan that is all. I realize there are issues with this idea regarding vehicle access to beach, would it cover the whole island, Etc. and it will do nothing to stop water from the bay, but as has been stated here before by many people just piling up sand isn’t going to do it in the future.
Stephen February 27, 2013 at 04:47 PM
Great to see the input and theme of hope for a quick rebuilding effort to get the boardwalk back up Read Moreand running again. As for the boardwalk material itself, most haven't seen a precast concrete system with individual boards (treads) that actually looks like a traditional wood boardwalk. Check out www.permatrak.com The product would be integrally colored, textured to look like wood, no protruding nails, no annual maintenance headaches, etc.
Longbeacher March 03, 2013 at 10:04 AM
what ever they do ,it will still not be done by summer ,so join a pool or beach club if you don'tRead Moreli ke the sound of hammers,trucks or saws ,because as u sit at the beach this summer thats all u will hear.outa here
Joseph Kellard (Editor) February 19, 2013 at 05:43 AM
Although I had to cut this from my original story about last Wed.'s FEMA meeting, here is a passage Read Morethat pertains to a residents with a similar situation as yours: A landlord said that his insurance company, Allstate, told him that he can’t challenge the depreciation in his two-family home, according to a rule of the National Flood Insurance Program. "Why am I considered a second class resident in Long Beach," said the homeowner, who demanded an explanation of the rule. “I still have the same refrigerator and hot water heater replaced, and in fact I pay more in taxes because I have a two-family house.” Recoverable depreciation only applies to single-family homes, [FEMA officials Diana] Kidder told him, and said that she would contact his insurance company.
Candygram for Mongo March 03, 2013 at 10:29 AM
Amynyc please make more comments
Bikerider March 29, 2013 at 02:43 PM
Any one that grew up in L.B. knows for a fact that brian sells weed, he started in school sellingRead Morejo ints and for yrs on the corner with his crew the hartmans, joe boy. He went to jail a couple of times for short stays cause his a rat, he thru joe boy under the bus that`s why they don`t speak anymore. People think his a good guy cause he sells xmas tree`s and gives some of them for free, just a cover up to wash some money. If he is so on the up and up why isn`t anything in his name? He had lawyer Elovich to get him out of trouble for yrs you people have no clue what dirt bag brian is, he would cut your mother if she owed him money.
Bikerider March 29, 2013 at 02:55 PM
BTW long beach is full of them selling weed another one is billy palazzo, yes he has the brickRead Morelayin g work that he`s dad started but like brian always selling weed and plenty of it, he grew up with most of the cops in town all friends they all hung out in the bars down west smoking and drinking, that town is so dirty,you have a gold sheild det that killed someone when he was 19 in a after hr bar fight and now he is retired from a career on l.b. police. I could go on and on, been in this town since i was a kid and i`m 66 now. So don`t tell me about the b.s.
Beachguy February 16, 2013 at 01:06 PM
Comes the next flood and we will all need rafts, rifts or any other kind.
Tonto Hertzberg February 18, 2013 at 12:07 AM
Hey...........Look what someone just sent me. Its going viral. Its the KEYNOTE address to the 2006Read MoreC ity Council from the guy that led the campaign to kill the 2006 Army Corp plan that would have saved us. The cheers at the end are priceless now in retrospect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz53nbO4rpg
Carly February 19, 2013 at 01:34 AM
Eddie, you're wrong. Damage must exceed 50% of the home's Nassau County-assessed value, which IsRead Moreava ilable on mynassauproperty.com. That excludes land and other structures.
Howie February 12, 2013 at 10:27 PM
Wonder how much the cost overun will be
Charlie K February 14, 2013 at 12:14 AM
Cost overrun should be about 23 million...
Charlie K February 15, 2013 at 06:49 PM
SEASIDE HEIGHTS STARTED REBUILDING THEIR BOARDWALK TODAY!!!! Enough with the focus groups and time Read Moreto start rebuilding the LONG BEACH BOARDWALK!!! Read article http://m.nypost.com/p/news/local/work_starts_on_seaside_heights_boardwalk_31gUTSDwL4vpfZ02axaomJ
Charlie K February 11, 2013 at 09:22 AM
As residents we know how a completed boardwalk by Memorial would give us hope of thing returningRead Moreto normal. The problem is the elected officials don't seem to have the same agenda. If you take parts of the Jersey Shore and follow the rebuilding of their boardwalks they are months ahead of us. They already rebuilding with men on their knees hammering a new boardwalk together, while we hold town meetings for the average citizen who has no clue except to say they don't want wood. The boards were taken down on New York ave three weeks ago, a plans should have been in place to start rebuilding that day. It's now February and this week there will be more meeting with residents. And then a council meeting to discuss the findings. You hired a company to mange the rebuilding of the boardwalk. Hopefully there was a stipulation in the contract that says it must be up by Memorial Day it's over 100 days now since hurricane sandy, it's time for the rebuilding to start, it will be march 1st before you know it and I just do t see any progress anytime soon. Start the rebuilding now and cut the 10 point plan Dow to a two point plan. 1 START. 2. Completed
Charlie K February 11, 2013 at 09:30 AM
I just read in the Long Beach Herald that only sections of the boardwalk will be completed byRead MoreMemori al Day. If the first section to be rebuilt starts on Edwards there should an uproar, this year the boardwalk is for the residents not the tourists. Start the rebuilding on New York avenue and Neptune Ave and finish joining the two on Edwards. Hopefully by Memorial Day.
V. P. R. February 11, 2013 at 11:27 AM
Get Real !!!!! Being that its mid - Feb !!!! Do you really think the Boardwalk will be completeRead Moreby Memorial Day !! It took almost 4 months just to get rid of the old boardwalk ** They are just blowing smoke up your REAR END !! You can almost bet that the only part completed by Memorial Day , will be from National Blvd --to-- Long Beach Road ! !!! Hey !! How about extending the Boardwalk from Pacific to Nevada ??? hahahaha ! Smoke !! Evereyone in this town would be surprised if they did finish it by memorial day ! Good Luck !! I hope they do !!
Kasey February 08, 2013 at 09:37 AM
Paul give up the damn pre roof issue-do you honestly believe that Dr. Stanger did not/would notRead Morehave sustained any damage to his building as a result of the hurricane if he didn't have the pre existing contractor/roof problem? Take a look at the other two businesses next door-they had over 3 feet of water flood their buildings and had to rip everything out. So why can't you jsut accept that even if people knew of some pre issue, that money that was raised for Project 1 went to help fix damages caused to Dr. Stanger as a result of the hurricane itself.
Bill C February 09, 2013 at 03:17 PM
I would like to say job well done to the Project Pay It Forward group. You should all take greatRead Morepri de in the assistance you are providing local residents and business owners. You are all changing lives for the better while returning our town to what it once was. Your message is clear, the services you are providing cannot be replaced, and it is your decision to make on which businesses you decide to help and in which order. Anyone who does not agree with your choices has this gift known as freedom to start their own organization and help those who they feel are most deserving. Imagine that..... groups of people gathering together to help one another rather than putting each other down in a time of need. What a world we would live in if someone would just do that. Oh wait.... the Project Pay It Forward already did! Your are the people who inspire others to return to Long Beach and rebuild. Stand tall and proud, do not let anyone's comments ever bring your down.
barry greene April 27, 2013 at 09:18 PM
I can understand the need to be selective, but come on already people, this is great work. if myRead Morebu siness was blitzed by the storm and these people offered to help me, I would probably be jumping for joy. thank you to PPIF. a group in LB that finally gets it right and answers only to their conscience. well done Bill!
Just a Resident January 30, 2013 at 09:39 AM
I always wondered about these surfing schools. Not that they're a bad thing, but how is the CityRead Morerem unerated for the use of a public beach? How is the issue of liability covered?
Elliot Zuckerman January 30, 2013 at 01:07 PM
Resident , both the Skudins and my surfing school both pay the city on LB a fee to use the beach,Read Morewe must have full insurance, liability and workmen's comp, we bid on our beaches four years ago and we are going into the last year of our contract, we pay taxes and also pay the city a sanitation fee as well and both of our schools clean the beach and try to maintain a safe area for new students, my school surf2live must share a beach with surfers and the skudins have a beach to themselves until 1 pm, we both are respectful to our city and encourage surfers of all ages the chance to learn to surf. I have been providing this service for over 20 years and love teaching, we both are certified by NSSIA and i am a certified professional surfing coach as well .
RhondaVW January 25, 2013 at 05:12 PM
Hi John C. I believe the numbers being talked about - specifically the $25 million figure - are for Read Morewhat it would cost to simply reuse the existing concrete substructure system and reinstall wood joists and decking. $40/sqft makes sense there given all the points you make above. The cost to completely replicate the type of concrete substructure LB had would easily be 4x that amount. LB is firtunate that the substructure survived. that said there are still some issues.....
RhondaVW January 25, 2013 at 05:46 PM
For example, pedestrian bridge codes require that any deck wider than 10' has to support a 20,000Read Morelb s vehicle. The engineers hired to come up with a plan are going to have figure out whether the existing 1930's substructure will comply with current codes and maybe even new codes created in response to Sandy.
Elene January 30, 2013 at 10:13 AM
25 Million $ why? I cant imagine unless they are recreating this out of gold. Other communitiesRead Morear e restoring damage with a reasonable $ amount. To my understanding, Long Beach is currently in Debt? Please correct me if I am wrong. So if they are in financial hardship, how would they begin to repay this absorbent amount of money.
CM January 23, 2013 at 10:41 AM
Don't we have to know what dunes or other protective barrier will be in place before the boardwalkRead Mored esign is decided? The City Council chose not to build the dunes in the past, in part, because they would block the view from the boardwalk. I want some protection in place against future stiorms first and then a boardwalk.
LB Swimmer January 23, 2013 at 01:06 PM
Is there any relationship between the plans to rebuild the boardwalk and the flood control studiesRead Morep erformed in the past? Is the council putting the cart before the horse?
Trying to Make Sense January 24, 2013 at 10:33 AM
Quite (quiet) a stream of holy(holly) consciousness you put out there EZ. Thanks for sharing(justRead Moremy opinion).
RhondaVW January 06, 2013 at 10:59 PM
Thanks for the info. I'm assuming by "memory" you don't mean from 1937. FYI from theRead Morearti cle: "Friday was the deadline for proposals from engineering firms to design a new boardwalk. the bids will be reviewed this week, said City manager Jack Schnirman. Once a design is chosen, officials plan to solicit construction bids, he said."............Also when i was asking about what a concrete decking would be installed on I was asking generally as a concrete deck was never going to fly here so we didn't even look into it. As a consequence i don't know what the support system would look like for concrete decking.
mike spillane January 07, 2013 at 10:15 AM
can someone or group take the old wood boards and do something with them ?-if someone would sayRead Moreturn them into a chair or stool they could be sold with the money raised used for some good reason-I would buy any items made -i bet many others would as well
Beachguy January 07, 2013 at 08:15 PM
Thank you Rhonda and Eddie but I got quite lost in the technical stuff. Will our pols and theRead Morepeople who make the final decisions be able to understand all of this and make educated choices? TILB after all.if we can get a proper boardwalk that doesn't need constant maintenance I assume we will save a lot of money. Years ago the boardwalk was much like Atlantic City's with a tawdry atmosphere. Then it went to the opposite extreme. Hopefully we can get some tastefully appointed restaurants, snack bars and such. Maybe even A pl ace where you can get a beer.
Hamburger January 01, 2013 at 01:24 PM
Because the "powers that be" are the owners of said apartments
paul.d.spellman January 01, 2013 at 03:10 PM
Elia, Have you contacted the city building dept with the location of these alleged illegalRead Morerentals? Which members of the organization are "illegal rental tax cheats"? Very easy for you to post on here and cast a wide swath. Why not names or at least addresses if you are so certain?
Tideline January 03, 2013 at 07:45 AM
It is helpful that they included the Tel. #, that way you can call, she is never there and does not Read Morereturn messages.
Seashell December 10, 2012 at 07:19 AM
The knights burned down. That should be top news on the LB patch
Pat Caltabiano December 10, 2012 at 07:32 AM
I agree seems all the bad out weighs any good long Beach or K of C can't seem to get a break
Jaime Sumersille December 11, 2012 at 01:11 PM
@Seashell - the Knights of Columbus fire was our top news yesterday, starting at 7am. A follow upRead Moreal so ran on the incident.
Beachguy January 06, 2013 at 08:08 AM
The debate starts. How long will it go on? TILB. That means TOO long. The old boardwalk was aRead Moredisast er with popped up boards all over the place, partially made that way by inept, lazy crews who didn't keep up with things. I know people who got seriously injured jogging on it and refused to go there anymore. Either use some modern form of concrete, composite or better wood fastened by screws not nails but now is the time to do it right. What are the odds for that? TILB after all. Let's blame the surfers. Snoopy for city council.
Tonto Hertzberg January 06, 2013 at 11:21 PM
Question: The the new boardwalk have a built in bump in in somewhere so that Fran can once againRead Moretr ip over it and sue the crap out of us? Just askin.
Beachguy January 06, 2013 at 11:33 PM
Despite the deplorable and dangerous condition of the old boardwalk suits against the city are only Read More successful if actual written notice of the specific defect is provided to the city. This is virtually impossible of course. The way it was getting though a good argument could be made that the entire boardwalk constituted one big dangerous condition. Now it's all academic.
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