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Plans for Dunkin' Donuts On Hold

Realtor says other businesses are interested in West End vacancy.

Dunkin' Donuts’ plans to open a shop in the West End are far from a reality, according to a Long Beach realtor reportedly close to the negotiations.

Joe Sinnona, a realtor with Verdeschi Realty Inc., said the national donut and coffee shop has yet to sign a lease to occupy the vacancy at 1070 W. Beech St., the former West Beech Beverage, and although talks are ongoing, several other businesses are interested in the 10,000-square-foot-property, the Long Beach Herald reports.  

Patch previously reported that the West End Neighbors Civic Association was spearheading a petition drive against Dunkin' Donuts, contending, in part, that box store would negatively impact surrounding coffee shops, delis and restaurants.

In addition, the Herald's story reveals that a poll the association took to gauge residents’ thoughts on the issue showed 80 percent gave a thumbs down to Dunkin' Donuts potential new store.

Candygram for Mongo November 15, 2011 at 07:34 PM
Vote yes
Baghdad Bob November 15, 2011 at 08:17 PM
I think the West End could use a few box stores. As it is now, there are no places locally to purchase boxes or other similar containers. What is "Rails and Razors?" Is it on the WHACKO list of approved stores?
Baghdad Bob November 15, 2011 at 08:20 PM
This whole issue is ludicrous. If a person owns or rents a piece of property, he can put there anything he likes as long as it conforms with the law. Why is it the business of anyone else what is built on that property? This town is full of nosey busy-bodies who have nothing better to do but to meddle in other people's affairs. It really is pathetic.
toolittle November 15, 2011 at 08:49 PM
Chain stores have ruined communities for decades. In a study done in small towns in Maine, the following was determined... When residents of the Midcoast region spend $100 at a big box retailer, their purchase generates $14 in local spending by the retailer. That same $100 spent at a locally owned business generates $45 in local spending, or three times as much. Dollars spent at a local retailer support not only that store, but a variety of other local businesses, including local banks, accountants, printers, and internet service providers. So, when you are thinking about whose business it is on what people do to their property, think of it in terms of benefitting the whole community. You might like a Boston Creme but do you want more empty storefronts or more money leaving our community ?
paul.d.spellman November 15, 2011 at 09:05 PM
Maryl, Are you actually comparing DD to Walmart et. al.? If you are going to spout statistics at least make them somewhat relevant to your argument. Have you ever shopped at Costco, BJ, Walmart? Do you have any shop club memberships? More empty storefronts? Like that mess that stood for over 7 years, across from the Future West End Home of Dunkin Donuts. Or perhaps that empty butcher shop that was patronized so greatly by the west end residents and where a fellow poster pointed out may be the new home of a McDonalds Express?
toolittle November 15, 2011 at 09:18 PM
Spellman, Yes.
paul.d.spellman November 15, 2011 at 09:20 PM
Yes?
inplainsight November 15, 2011 at 09:40 PM
the understanding is not there. maryl knows what she is talking about and so do those opposed to DD. we want our small town to stay a small town atmosphere. you cannot argue forever with evryone, so in a few years when you say what happened, we will try not to say I yold you so. get off the highway. any highway where a small town exists and see, if there is a DD or McD or any such animal, there are no more small business food shops, no diners, no pizza etc. the dollar goes in one direction and when it goes to DD it does not go to WE coffee or any of the delis and then the restaurants. oh, give it up, read and learn. No one who cares is anti-business, but we would love to keep the west end the way it is. economy problems cause empty stores everywhere, the answer is not fast food. The whole Mcd bs is from when they tried to put an express in the We a dozen years ago, at which time ordinances were passed to deter this type of business. Express mcd doesn;t even open anymore- they failed anyway.
toolittle November 15, 2011 at 10:04 PM
I am glad someone understands !!
Candygram for Mongo November 15, 2011 at 10:06 PM
a store that sold fresh meat and fruit and veggies at a reasonable price would be nice (unlike C-town)
occupylongbeach November 16, 2011 at 02:26 AM
I agree with BBob... Beach bagel is primarily...you guessed it...a bagel shop. Dunkin donuts...is primarily...a donut shop. I doubt DD will run a bagel store or bakini's out of business, simply because it is a different entity focusing sales on a different product. More importantly, like BBob said...although we all have the right to say what we feel, isn't it also a companies right to build what he pleases as he lives up to his responsibilities and standards of the city? I think a call for a waaaaaambulance is in order for most of the west end people who are again complaining about what can or cannot be built on 'their' turf. In terms of ruining the character of the west end...I highly doubt DD will do that. Talk about hypocritical...there are more bars in that little area and the west enders are worried about a Dunkin Donut shop ruining the character of the west end. Maybe a rehab should be opened up instead!
paul.d.spellman November 16, 2011 at 02:46 AM
IPS, Would you rather see an empty store front than what will surely become a thriving business once Dunkin Donuts opens. Why are the current stores unable to be competitive? or will it just be they will no longer be able to charge exorbitant prices? Dollars go where people wish to spend them be it DD or WE coffee and the people should be able to decide where it gets spent. Just like you do when you travel out of the WE to make purchases. Are there other stores you feel that cannot be competitive and need to not allow fair competition with?
inplainsight November 16, 2011 at 01:10 PM
no one is meddling when it comes to their community and values, yes, it is a protection of turf, because that is where our homes and families are. research shows that you will go to DD for coffee, effectively ending your coffee and whatever visit to a bagel store or diner or deli. Coffee business is an anchor for many and with the corporate advertising edge, it gets harder to compete. Talk to the business people who do not worry about competition, but worry about DD and similar businesses that will affect them and the entire strip sooner or later. There are other lookers and other viable businesses that will fit. Look around, just because you own the property does not mean you get to do whatever you want. everywhere you look, there are towns, cities and such fighting what goes on properties. There are ordinances that would make it difficult for a DD to be successful if they are held accountable, plus it is the wrong side of the street for the AM wake up coffee. p.s.- there are half as many bars as there were a number of years ago, though a few have expanded beyond their boundaries, but in your mind, we have nothing to say about that because we do not own it. community boards, civic associations, and the people themselves have the right to challenge, to protect. Licenses, permits, etc are issued after public input and public hearings, but you still insisit we have nothing to say.
inplainsight November 16, 2011 at 01:16 PM
I will close this conversation with the hope of understanding and working together for the betterment of our community and yours. There are businesses that do not work, or do not fit, or are just a pain in the neck, but we all have a right to voice our concerns as to the decisions of government. The bars are not exclusive to the We, but somehow we attract the most patrons from out of town and the most problems. what is the draw in an overcrowded club with no parking, difficult to get to and with a cover charge? spread the wealth and patronize the bars in town too.
Brendan November 16, 2011 at 01:23 PM
You're telling people what bars to go to now?
Brendan November 16, 2011 at 01:31 PM
Exactly Paul, people are going to decide for themselves which businesses are worth the money and which are not. For example, Jake's Wayback vs. The Alleged McDonalds. If the McDonalds has a value menu, that's trouble for Jake's. IMO, their food isn't much different in terms of offering or quality, but Jake's is priced at nearly $5 per burger. There might be occasions where people will want to sit down in the burger joint, in which case Jake's might win. People are going to be making those decisions all the time and actually already are. The difference is that they won't have to drive a few miles to get to the alternative so the WE businesses will be losing their competitive advantage of location. They'll have to step up to the plate and provide better products and services or more competitive pricing. Merely having this discussion is a good thing even if it only serves to let the WE business community know that we're sick of paying through the nose for what we realize is an inferior product but it's all we have. (With the exception of the WE Coffee Shop, that is worth every last penny, I love that place.)
inplainsight November 16, 2011 at 01:31 PM
where was that said in ips
Brendan November 16, 2011 at 01:55 PM
You said: "spread the wealth and patronize the bars in town too." Who are you to tell people where to go and what to do?
occupylongbeach November 16, 2011 at 01:58 PM
ips, so your saying that DD would effectively eliminate other places that use coffee to draw people in? I would bet money that if the bagel store lowered its prices it would most definitely compete with DD. Why? For what I said before...its a different product. A bagel/deli vs coffee/donuts. Dont you agree? Concerning character - I agree people have the right to voice their opinion and such, but I feel as though that many people who live in the west end complain about parking, the bars and issues that go along with that...yet...they chose to live in the west end where there are...tons of bars. With bars come a lot of unattractive issues that can make the 'character' of an area seem less attractive. Yet, with a DD you don't normally attract those issues. So I'm failing to see how it degrades the character of your town. Unless your just blatantly opposed to chain stores because you think they make places look generic. To me that's just silly. We aren't talking about a strip mall here with a generic CVS, pizza store, etc etc. We are talking about 1 DD. To me this is just a non-issue on many fronts and I feel some west enders are up in arms over issues I just don't see being actual issues.
paul.d.spellman November 16, 2011 at 02:06 PM
IPS, "Talk to the business people who do not worry about competition, but worry about DD and similar businesses that will affect them and the entire strip sooner or later." --Why are they worried about DD and similar businesses if not the competition? "just because you own the property does not mean you get to do whatever you want." --As long as you follow the existing ordinances you are and from the articles apparently this site does permit this type of activity "There are other lookers and other viable businesses that will fit." --Will these other businesses fit in one of the other 8 vacant storefronts on the WE? "plus it is the wrong side of the street for the AM wake up coffee" --What do you mean by that? --Is the proposed location not on the same side as WE coffee and also beach bagel as well as pakinis?
toolittle November 16, 2011 at 02:13 PM
Yes, I am comparing DD to a Walmart as they are both corporate behomoths that will spend $14 of $100 locally compared to $45 for a local business. Another stat is that local charities are supported 5 times more by a local biz than a chain who cares less about the community and more about the bottom line.
toolittle November 16, 2011 at 02:20 PM
"Unless your just blatantly opposed to chain stores because you think they make places look generic." Yes, thats one of the many reasons why I am opposed to DD. Because DD may not change everything about the West End, but when Mickey D's and 7 Eleven and Pizza Hut come to town, we might as well be anywhere. Small businesses everywhere are run out of town by corporate chains that have the advertising dollar to dominate the market. Guess where this money is going ? Back to corporate headquarters, not to local businesses and residents. They dont care about the West End. They care about dollars.
paul.d.spellman November 16, 2011 at 02:26 PM
Maryl "that will spend $14 of $100 locally compared to $45 for a local business. Another stat is that local charities are supported 5 times more by a local biz than a chain who cares less about the community and more about the bottom line." Where did you get these numbers?
Misty November 16, 2011 at 03:00 PM
Oh, jeeze, cry me a river for goodness sake. I never heard more whining about nothing in my life. Dunkin' Donuts will not change the "trendiness" of the west end nor will it put other businesses out. Look at the positive, the lines will be shorter in other places for people who just want coffee.
MikeC. November 16, 2011 at 03:09 PM
The space just cries out for a White Castle franchise! Think of it.........There's no way that a 49 cent burger doesn't create competition in the "trendy" west end. Prices will plummet and order will reign. I don't see a downside.
Candygram for Mongo November 16, 2011 at 06:22 PM
a White Castle would be awful, but a DD would be excellent
Mr. Mike November 16, 2011 at 11:21 PM
For all those people who are so worried about having a DD in their neighborhood... Gather all your money together and BUY the building from the landlord, that way, you could put whatever YOU want there
Lloyd November 17, 2011 at 01:40 AM
To all those oppositional West End naysayers who are living in a bizarro world.. I hope the Dunkin Donuts never opens but the land is rezoned for a Islamic Mosque and Cultural Center. I don't believe there is one anywhere around and there is probably a need for one with all the Muslims clamoring to move into your overcrowded neighborhood choking with all night bars and liquor stores.
Lloyd November 17, 2011 at 01:46 AM
I can't understand why you people just LOVE those overpriced rip off West End stores. I needed to buy a few items today and tried shopping in the West End on the way home.When i saw the outrageous prices on these few items, I said, "What the heck, I'll drive down to Waldbaum's instead". I bought the same food and medicines for half the price there and they even let me use my Debit card, which is NOT accepted in most of the West End "boutiques"/delis. Why you people put up with this crap, I have no idea. And for your info..I didn't even get mugged at Waldbaum's and my car wasn't stolen either.
Candygram for Mongo November 17, 2011 at 02:44 AM
What a nice thing to say!

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