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City Manager: Beach Expected to Open Next Summer

Says restoration of the boardwalk remains uncertain.

The eastern end of the boardwalk, at Neptune Boulevard.
The eastern end of the boardwalk, at Neptune Boulevard.
While the beach in Long Beach suffered tremendous erosion during Hurricane Sandy, the city expects Ocean Beach Park will reopen next summer, although the fate of the boardwalk remains in limbo.

That’s what City Manager Jack Schnirman told Patch after a special City Council meeting Tuesday afternoon, the government body’s first public meeting after the storm crippled the beach town Oct. 29.

Work crews are sifting through and cleaning a mountain of sand at the Superblock on East Broadway that the force of the hurricane washed from the beach and onto the city streets and neighborhoods.

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“It needs to be approved by the Environmental Conservation Department before it can be put back on the beach,” Schnirman said about the sand.  

The city must also undertake a beach replenishment project, he said, and city officials are already starting to talk about that project with various levels of government.

The boardwalk suffered significant damage overall, but that the eastern half of the structure was particularly hard hit, the city manager reported.

“At the eastern half of the boardwalk there was catastrophic destruction, and in the west there was very severe damage,” Schnirman said.

He emphasized that it is premature to say precisely how and when the boardwalk should be rehabilitated, but that that goal is to build it better than it was before.

“We’re working with our insurance folks, FEMA, with all kinds of engineers to have a conversation about putting together a plan - short, medium and long-term – and about what kind of progress can we see for next season, and what kind of boardwalk do we want,” he said. “We know we have to build it back strong, smarter and safer.”

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paul.d.spellman November 24, 2012 at 09:01 PM
Lloyd, What parking lots are you talking about? What parking lots will the people coming off the LIRR use? This sounds as well planned out as your Loop Bridge idea.
paul.d.spellman November 24, 2012 at 09:03 PM
Eddie, The bacteria quote is word for word what Elliot said. That quote would look great on the promotional material for his city subsidized surfing company.
Eddie November 24, 2012 at 10:43 PM
Here we go Lloyd. Now I'm racist? You feel some races can't afford to pay for beach entry? No, Lloyd, as a property owner, I want to protect revenue that lowers my taxes. If you owned property here you might feel the same way. Your talents and ideas should be concentrated on your work of replacing the Loop Parkway bridges. You shouldn't want to wear those resources thin thinking about more new ways to spend my tax dollars.
Beachguy November 25, 2012 at 01:08 AM
Dear fellow Patchers: I now spend my winters in SE Asia .I left the Saturday before Miss. Sandy paid us a most unwelcome visit and have just tonight returned after a 27 hour journey to tend to my flooded house. I know I can be acerbic and deprecating at times. But at times like these can't we try to stop with the personal insults and insinuations. It's nearly a month post storm and I can't believe the devastation. Everyone has taken a hit. Can't you people restrain yourselves and try to be civil to one another. This isn't about overpaid cops, lousy bus schEdules , inept enforcement of beach passes, disinterested city council members etc. LB needs a renewal and the people who Post here are the activists who can get something accomplished if they would devote their energies to joining together and bringing about change instead of amusing themselves with snide comments to each other. It's time for a third party with no agenda other than the betterment of LB headed up by people with no ulterior motives. BTW- to be honest I'd rather be in my 30 th floor apartment in Jomtien Beach, Chon Buri Province , Thailand than here at this point but Miss Sandy changed my winter plans.
Michael November 25, 2012 at 01:49 AM
What are you... some aspiring 99 cent Kindle fiction writer? Jomtien Beach? You flaunt some exotic location as your perch and relate to us your disheveled 27-hour journey back to Long Beach "to tend to your flooded home". .. OK, maybe some people on this board should consider using more couth and decorum in their comments, but who among us in this disaster wants to hear about how you would rather be in your 30th floor apartment in Thailand... I don't think you are a troll, but you certainly are a pompous ass...
Beachguy November 25, 2012 at 05:39 AM
Sorry you took my post that way Michael. My sons house in Freeport was virtually destroyed and im living on one of my other sons couch since my place here in LB is uninhabitable with untold destruction. My remark about rather being in my winter place was meant to be tounge in cheek and an attempt at some light humor in a not so funny situation. I've lived in LB or nearby all my life and although I came in last night in the dark, a brief tour, almost one month later, was shocking since news accounts, photos, videos and personal communications don't begin to convey the depth of the situation. I was simply trying to point out that personal attacks, name calling and squabbling over side issues at a time like this are unproductive. I'm sorry i came across that way but I'm also sorry that you didn't get my point since you sunk to name calling and insult yourself. My fault for not getting my point across. If I offended you , or anyone ,else by my choice of language, my apologies. And I'm sure the people who suffered through the worst of it and are still suffering would rather be in a nice , warm place such as I described. I don't see what's wrong with that.
Eddie November 25, 2012 at 07:18 AM
Beachguy, I share your feelings, though i'm stuck here all year. The devastation here is very sobering. All of us have absorbed the emotional mix that comes along for the past three weeks. But that passes as you pick yourself up and pull your life back together. Grief often turns to anger, and some of us are angry and government missteps, as minor and insignificant as they may seem to others. We mourn our property losses and we thank God we are still here. I know what you're going through, Brother. Now's a chance to take stock in mistakes made and rebuild a better Long Beach. Or perhaps get out and flee the financial devastation that our leaders plan for us.
David Prophet November 25, 2012 at 07:20 AM
No offense taken here Beachguy, I completely understood the point of your post and I agree 100% about the civility issue here. I hope you get your home back in order as quickly as possible!
Michael November 25, 2012 at 10:57 AM
@Beachguy... Yes, your humor (which we all need more of these days) went right over my head. My single-story house on one of the canals is currently unlivable and we are nomads living in various places by the grace of family and good friends. I've had a version of the blues that appears to be a precursor to post traumatic stress disorder. It's altered, at points, my ability to spot the lighter side of life. My apologies for my previous comments to you. If you search my user name, you'll see I don't have a history on Patch of flying off the handle and flaming people. Again, my apologies. Michael
Beachguy November 25, 2012 at 11:53 AM
Michael-- no problema, amigo. I really meant my remarks to be somewhat deprecating. I have to confess that I actually did spend the last month sitting on my balcony overlooking the Gulf Of Thailand sipping the local brew and reading the Patch, watching TV and Newsday online etc. When I saw the coverage of my beloved Nevada Ave in the Times with shots of people on sand dunes that had been transposed to the middle of the block I was astounded. I was told by my sons not to return since there was chaos and nothing could be accomplished by coming here.. So I did return last night and after a 27 hour trip I got a tour which included the totaled small apartments at the end of Nevada. It was freezing cold, windy and desolate. The beach was missing. The houses were all dark.Debris is still piled up all over the place. I finally got into my house at 7:00 this morning . The entire ground floor got inundated. No power, heat, the floors are ruined, rugs ruined, appliances etc., etc. But I know I don't have it that bad compared to so many others. I look at all the closed businesses. What about the employees of these places.? What about people like the owners of Unsound who got ruined and have no insurance? My cousins have a house in Point Lookout that was without insurance and got blasted. So when I finally landed here on Shore Rd at my sons apartment I was a bit peeved myself to see the petty squabbling amongst some of the posters when all around them there is so much suffering going on. And after seeing so much last night and again this morning I do wish I was back in a nice tropical locale. My intent was to show the contrast that a few hours can make . With the speed afforded by jet travel I spent Saturday morning in Thailand in tropical heat, Saturday evening in Taiwan and then the same Saturday night all over again at the end of Nevada Ave shivering and gazing around in awe at what had gone on. . I just hope that we can harness some of the energy expended here on the Patch in getting LB where it belongs. As for you I'm really sorry for your situation. I hope that there's an end in sight and you can get back to some degree of normalcy. I was lucky. I got out in time and missed it all. Now if I can get the heat on and avoid frozen pipes I'm heading back to you know where ASAP. Sorry once again for any offense.
Lloyd November 25, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Eddie...... I didnt call you a racist. I wrote that your post may sound racist to me. You should stop hiding behind code words and generalizations and tell us all how you REALLY feel. It sounds to me that you want to keep those people who frequent Jones Beach and Orchard Beach out of Long Beach. And how do some of them differ from the majority of OUR beachgoers? They are Brown, Black, and foreign language speaking...just like about 25% of our population. Otherwise, whats the difference between THEM and US? Are those beachgoers dirtier than ours? Rowdier? Louder? C'mon Eddie! Don't be afraid to tell us all your fears about other races and nationalities. Please tell us how families who pay $10 to park here in Long Beach would d estroy our beautuful WHITE sands beach and historic boardwalk. Or would they just annoy you because they may differ in color or language or social class?
Lloyd November 25, 2012 at 01:24 PM
Somebody here didnt know about all the empty lots in Long Beach. I can see some of them right from my terrace. OK, they have mountains of sand on them now, but once they are leveled they can be used for parking cars. And on busy summer weekends there are hundreds of cars parked in them FOR FREE. I see that when I walk down the boardwalk. Talk about a waste of potential revenue, Mr. Eddie. Open up our beahes next summer for free and lets see what happens It would be great public reallations and publicity for our City and get tose visitors into parking lots over here, at the train station and at the high school. And lets not concern ourselves if they look and sound like the same people who go to Orchard Beach or Jones Beach. We should be envious of how welk taken care of Jones Beach is, esoecialky their boardwalk.
Eddie November 25, 2012 at 03:04 PM
Lloyd, I can't argue with you. You have a huge racist chip on your shoulder, and I can't entertain that nonsense. I own property here. You don't. It's obvious that we don't share the same values. If you want free beaches and like the clientele that free beaches bring, then why are you here? Far Rockaway beckons, Lloyd.
Lloyd November 25, 2012 at 05:54 PM
Not sure what you mean, Eddie. Im a card carrying conservative Republican who puts equality and human rights ahead personal financial interests. All beaches should be free to all, and not reserved just for local residents and middle to upper income beachgoers. BTW, Eddie. I may not own my residence here, but my "Latino" girlfriend does, so we together have a stake in Long Beach property values., just as you do.
Beachguy November 25, 2012 at 08:55 PM
Lloyd: the concept of free beach access is admirable but then shouldn't the costs of maintenance , lifeguards, trash removal and other costs be shared rather carried by LB residents? Should I pay high taxes for all of this while a family of 5 from Hicksville gets all the benefits for free. . amy solution?
wikyjalo November 25, 2012 at 11:23 PM
Lloyd, our taxes are high enough. Someone has to pay the salaries of beach employees and upkeep. And again, you have not addressed the issues of the thousands of people who arrive via train and all the money the city would lose on their beach fees. The residents of Long Beach cannot afford your idea because we are the ones who will end up paying. Besides our property taxes, my homeowners and flood insurance polices cost over $4600 a year and I can guarantee that with the claims we are putting in, those costs are going to go even higher. I frankly cannot afford any more money living in this City and I don't use the beach, period. I like it just as the process works-I don't have to pay for beach access but someone will have to pay if the beaches are open for free and that someone will be the taxpayers here.
wikyjalo November 25, 2012 at 11:41 PM
And one thing about Atlantic City, Lloyd- not sure the last time you were in Atlantic City, but they did what the Army Corp. wanted to do here years ago - they raised the dunes higher than the boardwalk, built walkways with access over the dunes. Perhaps had that been done here the damage might not have been as severe.
Beachguy November 26, 2012 at 07:35 AM
Having seen waste by dumping sand on beaches elsewhere only to have it disappear in a year or two I was against the Army Corps plan. Now i have to reconsider. But the City should have done a lot of things regarding the dunes. They should have introduced dunes along the entire beachfront including at the boardwalk. They should have encouraged growth of the existing dunes by extending them with more and more snow fencing, christmas trees, planting of dune grass and other sand catching devices on a regular basis. None of this was done. EAB escaped much of the destuction because they had a much higher and extensive dune network. Also cuts through the dunes for access , from what im told , allowed the ocean to break through. I know access for the handicapped is important and has to be preserved but ramps over the top is the way to go. I wont be shocked if the Feds now say they will do the whole thing their way in view of the money expended by them with little input from the locals.
jm November 26, 2012 at 08:21 AM
I guess Lloyd is speechless. I guess you guys (Beachguy & sikyjalo) hit the nail on the head for him!
wikyjalo November 26, 2012 at 08:48 AM
Part of the issue last time was the City Council let the surfers, who didn't want the dunes or jetties to compromise their surfing, and the residents who complained their views would be ruined run the roost. I don't cate about the surfers or the view - I sincerely hope that residents worry more about having a home to live in next time it comes to thinking about what the Army Corp. says needs to be done. We live on the bay side and I think we need a much higher seawall to keep the bay back as well. To hell with my view- I don't EVER want to go through this again. I want my home safe. How much longer before flood insurance starts putting limits to how many times they will pay claims on the same homes over and over?
paul.d.spellman November 26, 2012 at 09:10 AM
Wiky, We must also explore the concerns about swimming safety, as well as surfing, about fishing, kayaking, aesthetics -- any use of the beach, And remember it is not just about surfing, we must make sure the powers that be look at storm protection in a different way, which is the biggest success you can ask from any project.
Lloyd November 26, 2012 at 01:46 PM
Can ONE person here tell me why Long Beach has to charge visiting families an obscene amount of money to sit on our beach, when there are hundreds of municipalities on the East and West Coast that have FREE beach access to all and just charge for parking? And those people who walk in or arrive by bus or train get in free too? What gives us the balls to soak our visitors so our residents can see only White faces who speak English on the beach? If all those non charging municipalities can figure out a way to keep their beaches clean and patrolled WITGIUT charging a fee, why cant we? Why cant us residents have access to Resident Only parking streets and areas so we dont have to circle around the block for an hour waiting for a non resident to leave his parkibg space? Is it really so important to keep out "the garbage of Nassau County", as Eddie calls them, to keep our beaches segregated and our parking situation intolerable? Can someone address these issues intelligenly without calling me names?
Eddie November 26, 2012 at 06:22 PM
Lloyd, the City of Long Beach has been charging an admission fee to its beaches since the 1930's. Obviously there was much opposition to the plan and it eventually wound up in the Supreme Court, which ruled for the City. If any property owner is interested in the case, he can look it up.
Beachguy November 26, 2012 at 06:34 PM
Lloyd. -- you still havnt explained why LB taxpayers should bear the costs of others using the beach. I'm not opposed to open beaches for all bit as of now we, taxpayers of LB , pay all the expenses. do you think this is fair? Can you come up with a fair and equitable fuNding method? Please enlighten us. Re the charge that the surfers were instrumental in defeating the Army Corps project let me clear the air. I have been a surfer in LB for almost fifty years and was involved in the opposition. It was stressed that that the opposition was not because of ruining surf able waves although this might have been one of the effects. The opposition was based on the perceived ineffectiveness of the plan as presented by the Army. Maybe in hindsight this was incorrect. but I'm still not sure. The plan was to dredge up offshore bottom sand and throw it on the beach. Anyone ever hear of the cholera banks? tin can grounds? Garbage and waste of all kinds was dumped for decades right off our beach. So the Army wanted to just dredge it all up and throw it around. Remember the pollution in the Hudson from GE? Mercury? The surfers did. So let's not get into the misinformation mode that the surfers wanted to save their waves. That wasn't the basis of their concerns to the Army proposal.
Lloyd November 26, 2012 at 06:38 PM
"I guess Lloyd is speechless. I guess you guys (Beachguy & sikyjalo) hit the nail on the head for him!. I was at a rock concert in Westbury. It was hard to type messages while rockin' and rollin'. It's so gratifying to see all these Patch posters here who want to keep our beaches ALL WHITE and ALL ENGLISH SPEAKING just like themselves..They make up b.s. reasons to rip off visiting families and keep the beach pass rates high to keep out those less affluent County residents who may not fit the profile of the posters here. With the attitudes I see here on Patch, there is now no doubt in my mind that you base your ideas on race and ethnicity rather than on fairness and common decency. I dont think Long Beach is on the same level as Atlantic City, South Beach, Malibu, Venice Beach, Fort Lauderdale Beach, Hollywood Fla. Beach and many others I can name that are FREE to all. If Long Beach ever wants to attain the popularity and status of those beaches, it should stop its racist practices and open its beaches to all for FREE>
Beachguy November 26, 2012 at 06:48 PM
East End beaches may be free bit parking isn't. It's generally restricted to residents so non residents are effectively unable to get on the beach.
Lloyd November 26, 2012 at 07:38 PM
Ive got an aklternative plan. Since you people claim the City needs to charge visitors an exhorbitant anount of money to help defray the costs of upkeep and life guards, maybe, it seems that the City is in desperate financial straits and can't ba;ance its budget without soaking the less well to do. So to solve this problem, I suggest the City should sell or lease it rights to the beach to the County or the State and let them run it. This is not iunprecedented since I know many parks in the County were sold to the TGown, County, or State because ofg economic or political reasons. This way, Eddie, if our beach is over run with Blacks, Latinos, Gays, TGransgenders, Pakistanis or whichever group you are NBOT a member of, you can blame Gov. Cuomo, Ed Mangano, or me.
paul.d.spellman November 26, 2012 at 08:50 PM
Lloyd, Which parks were sold to the town, county or state?
Beachguy November 27, 2012 at 06:37 AM
State Parks may not have entrance fees but you have to pay to park. So one way or the other it costs for most people. I don't understand lloyds objection to beach users having to pay for all the costs associated with their use of the beach. Why should a taxpayer in Buffalo have to have his taxes go up to make it easier for a resident of Lynbrook to get onto a beach here in LB? Especially when that same person can go to Jones Beach, a state facility. As for LBresidents who don't use the beach( then why are you living here?) , it's the beach users who pay the lions share of expenses, while all residents benefit from the money spent by out of towners who patronize our businesses.
David Prophet November 27, 2012 at 07:25 AM
My intent is not to be mean spirited but when someone suggests the County manage our beach, I have to question whether they've given careful consideration to this subject. Nassau County is so badly mismanaged that NIFA has to oversee it's every move. You can't sell a beach to a government entity that is broke and expect to receive fair value for it, and you can't trust Nassau to run anything effectively to the extent that a leasing agreement could ever benefit our city. As far as enlisting the State goes, similar concerns apply. The State isn't doing a bang up job managing its budget or its properties either.

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