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Patch Question: Vacancy at Prime Commercial Real Estate?

What business would you like to see occupy the empty storefront that once housed a diner in the middle of Long Beach?


It housed a diner in the recent past, but now its future is uncertain. The unit sits vacant, its windows bare of any Realtor signs, in the heart of Long Beach’s business district on West Park Avenue, across the street from the Long Island Rail Road station and City Hall. It is sandwiched by a nail salon and the Long Beach Craft & Variety Store, always a hot spot for the beach crowds coming off trains in search of sunscreen or a chair to plant in the sand. There are plenty of eateries nearby, from a pita place to fine restaurants, not to mention a slew of cell phone stores and a frozen yogurt shop.

Given the stores and restaurants that already exist there, what kind of business do you think would make a perfect fit for this vacancy that is prime commercial real estate in the city? Weigh in with your suggestions in the comments below.

Thomas T February 15, 2012 at 02:11 PM
Brendan, thank you for your cogent appeal to intellectual honesty. I enjoyed reading it very much. You probably think that it makes "sense" (I use the term loosely, sense is usually sensible) to equate a vicious personal attack with satire that entirely reflects current political events. Thankfully, the editorial staff saw fit to limit Lacoon's access to this site, and I'm still here. And my target self-described conservative audience, Lloyd, indicated that my post was not only funny, but very much so. Enjoy your day, also! ;)
Lloyd February 15, 2012 at 02:41 PM
Are you comparing Honest Abe and Barney Frank?
laocoon February 15, 2012 at 02:57 PM
Laocoon's still here, uncensored, enjoying and celebrating his First Amendment rights, upholding them and his views for all to benefit! Sorry Tom, some of us still believe all views should be protected, not just radical liberal ones!
Thomas T February 15, 2012 at 03:07 PM
Actually, I got a comment of yours in my email yesterday that went *poof* from the thread, apparently in a cloud of glitter. Where, o where did it go? Mind yourself and the TOS, which is somewhat more restrictive than the First Amendment, and you can say whatever you like. I will tell you that ongoing personal attacks will not go well for you.
laocoon February 15, 2012 at 03:32 PM
Laocoon would never make a personal attack. Please refrain from your continuing threats against him. Every heterosexual does not deserve your hatred and threats.
Thomas T February 15, 2012 at 03:43 PM
Mind yourself and the TOS and you can say whatever you like, and your sexuality has absolutely nothing to do with it. No hatred or threats here. Just rules and a promise of consequenses if you break them.
laocoon February 15, 2012 at 03:45 PM
Your "promise of consequenses (sic) " is indeed a threat. With your background you are well aware of that. Please stop threatening the Laocoon or you will be reported to Patch.
Thomas T February 15, 2012 at 04:05 PM
Unless Laocoon is planning to violate the TOS, Laocoon should not feel any threat at all. Here is what may happen if Laocoon does in fact violate the TOS. Laocoon should pay particular attention to the last sentence. If Laocoon wishes to discuss this further with the editorial staff, Joseph Kellard's email is linked at the top of the page. Termination of Access We want to keep Patch a safe and friendly place, so in addition to any right or remedy that may be available to us under these Terms of Use or applicable law, we may suspend, limit or terminate your account, or all or a portion of your access to the Service, at any time with or without notice and with or without cause. In addition, we may refer any information on illegal activities, including your identity, to the proper authorities. Including the police and/or your parents.
Lloyd February 15, 2012 at 04:10 PM
Laocoon is sounding like an egotistical ballplayer who speaks to reporters in the Third Person. Very creative here. But enough already. Why Joe K. hasnt shut down this off topic/off color discussion is beyond me. He's done that in the past when the conversation turned ugly.
laocoon February 15, 2012 at 04:25 PM
If you tell my parents. Tom, I'm telling yours!
Thomas T February 15, 2012 at 04:27 PM
Lloyd, Joe has indicated that there aren't enough moderators to keep up with all the trolls, but that we should continue to report the most egregious ones. I've made myself pretty clear, so let's see what happens next.
Candygram for Mongo February 15, 2012 at 04:37 PM
the sexual tension in here is palpable
Thomas T February 15, 2012 at 04:47 PM
I hear the Allegria is lovely on a misty afternoon...
Brendan February 15, 2012 at 05:20 PM
Yeah, too bad its too late to vote for cutest couple.
Lloyd February 15, 2012 at 05:35 PM
I'll be addressing some of these issues with him. We'll see where it goes, if we cant moderate it by ourselves. I've been on bulliten boards where the vicious name calling and threats got very intolerable. And some of that was aimed at sweet, innocent me. So I don't want this ever happening to our friendly Patch group.
Thomas T February 15, 2012 at 10:03 PM
Thanks Lloyd.
Lloyd February 15, 2012 at 10:14 PM
I appreciate your comments, Thomas. Now with the boating season only a few months away, ya think I can get some support to demolish the Loop Pkway drawbridge and replace it with a fixed span bridge?? The next time I get stopped over there by the open bridge, I'll be back on here screaming and yelling like a wild animal.
Thomas T February 15, 2012 at 10:25 PM
Lloyd - I've just returned from lower Manhattan via the Belt Parkway, which is under repair. Near the Fountain Avenue (landfill) Wildlife Restoration Area, the new section of the Belt has been raised about 15 feet. This will accomodate larger boats. If NYC can get it together enough to do this for a several mile section, surely NY State can do this for one little bridge on the Loop. All it would take would be a serious letter campaign to Sen Gilliabrand, since Skelos and King seem to be deaf. Note that environmental concerns were also addressed (idling cars and boats waste gas and pollute the air & water), so this idea would have bipartisan support.
Lloyd February 16, 2012 at 05:38 AM
Thanks Thomas. That's an excellent model for comparison. If the Belt Pkwy and bridges can be raised, surely the State can find money in its budget to do the same on the Loop. Remember, someone was killed there as well as numerous accidents at that bridge last year. I read here daily how people are concerned about traffic safety on their block, but show little concern for those drivers on the Loop Pkway.
Leonard Bauman February 16, 2012 at 09:05 PM
Long Beach could use a good Funeral Parlor in that location, it would do a great deal of business since we have a large elderly population which will eventually be lining up to use its services. But wait a minute, our Demoncrat City Council outlawed Funeral Parlors and their tax revenue from Long Beach. What a dumb mistake which is costing Long Beach Taxpayers hundreds of dollars a year and thousands over the decades! Long Beach needs a Funeral Parlor just as much as it needs Ginos, Waldbaums, or a Kosher Meat Market. Gutterman's Funeral Parlor of Long Beach sounds upscale and distinctive doesn't it? Just think of the taxes they will pay to the City's coffers!
Thomas T February 16, 2012 at 09:31 PM
Yes, Leonard, you are absolutely correct. A small, diner-sized space with no parking of its own, on a main street between restaurants and stores with heavy pedestrian traffic - this is the perfect place for people to say goodbye to their deceased loved ones with dignity and respect. I am certain that if someone near and dear to you passed away, you would want to hear the summer tourists' laughter every time the door opened, and garbage trucks, and fire sirens. I am positive that your deep reflection on their life and how you cared for them would be facilitated by having to sprint across Park Avenue to get to your car. And I know you would want their remains bouncing across the sidewalk on a gurney while kids skateboard around them with a fro-yo. You are right - it's a perfect location. So is the name "Gutterman's", since that's where they would land if a skater was going too fast. What? You don't really think so? You really think an old mansion near some decent parking would be better? You were just looking for a chance to type the non-word "Demoncrat"? Oh, okay. I think we understand your point a lot better now.
laocoon February 16, 2012 at 09:36 PM
Got to agree with Thomas T on this one! Bad place for funerals and not big enough. And while I despise the current Democrat platform, in fairness it was not the Democrats who barred mortuaries from Long Beach. It was the developer, William Reynolds who happened to be a Republican. Many feel he was Republican in name only, but that's another story as well as another age some 100 years ago.
Thomas T February 16, 2012 at 09:49 PM
Cautiously extending some civil discourse here: Laocoon - it is possible that Leonard Bauman is partially correct in that a funeral home might do well in Long Beach. And I truthfully don't know who prohibited them, but it makes sense that Reynolds would have done so since the city was supposed to be a resort originally. Obviously, we agree that it shouldn't be *there*. But I've seen a few places where a large home is next to or across from a place that isn't really residential and could provide decent parking and a good place to remember loved ones. In fact, a defunct church is listed on MLSLI.com which has its own parking lot. Do you think anyone is really opposed to the idea of a funeral home in a city which has become a year-round home for many of us? I know of some logistical issues - it would have to be non-denominational to do a decent business, I'm not sure if we have a coroner close by, cremation could cause neighbors to - with cause - freak out. We have just about everything else - why not this?
laocoon February 16, 2012 at 10:19 PM
Agree on all points, Thomas. But as hard as it may be to believe, the funeral business is on really hard times right now. with the bad economy and the rise in cremations. A mortuary needs lots of parking and usually only does a few cases a week. Economically, I doubt Long Beach could support this type on business today with its huge property taxes. The temple for sale near the West End has no parking and most residential neighbors detest a funeral home as a neighbor. Beats me why. But yes, Long Beach could certainly use a good mortician.
Who cares February 17, 2012 at 01:21 AM
This particular storefront in question already has plans. All I will say is will be better than what the original place on the 200 block of west park has become!
Lloyd February 17, 2012 at 02:11 AM
Lots of old farts and potential custimers here in LB. With plenty of nursing homes, a hospital, and Senior housing around. Its a perfect setup. Why go out of town to lay out Grandma? I like the funeral parlor idea. Maybe a small cemetary too. It could even inspire new TV reality show...."Six Feet Under Park".
Max February 17, 2012 at 03:23 AM
Victoria Secrets ?
Lloyd February 17, 2012 at 05:26 AM
Yeah sure. And a Fredericks of Hollywood, too.
anna February 17, 2012 at 03:15 PM
A good German deli
Pickels February 20, 2012 at 12:03 PM
Bring back the Ocean Park Diner

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