Patch Question: Why Are Auto Accidents Up in Long Beach?

The 2011 data shows the numbers increased from the previous year.

A week after Patch posed the question “Will More Stop Signs Mean Fewer Accidents?", in which data was provided on the number of auto-related accidents in Long Beach from 2007 to 2010, the City of Long Beach released the police department’s accident data analysis for 2011.

The data reveals that there were 983 accidents in 2011, an increase of 22 accidents from the previous year. This, after more than 100 stop signs were installed citywide between November 2010 and early 2011. The most recorded accidents were in 2007, at 1,000, and the fewest were 958 in 2008.

The 2011 analysis also shows that Long Beach Boulevad and East Park Avenue continues to top the list of intersections with the highest rate of accidents, with 84. Listed second, with 28 accidents, is Long Beach Boulevard and East Pine Street, follow by Edwards Boulevard and Park Avenue and National Boulevard and West Park Avenue, with 26 accidents listed for both intersections.

Overall, 21 accidents involved pedestrians or bicyclists, with five at East Park-Long Beach, followed by four at Magnolia Boulevard and West Park Avenue. There were no fatalities recorded last year. In 2010, 25 accidents involved pedestrians or bicyclists, and four fatalities.

Given the accident rate in the city remained relatively the same in 2011 compared with previous years, what impact, if any, do you think the increased number of stop signs had on traffic in Long Beach in 2011? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.

paul.d.spellman January 19, 2012 at 11:20 PM
60 MPH on Beech? an exaggeration?
Trying to Make Sense January 20, 2012 at 01:16 AM
Yes and no Paul. I can't vouch for 60, I'm no speed gun. But did it feel like 60 until you brought me to my better senses, and made me realize that 60 might be an innocent exagerration? OK. At least 48 for sure though. But honestly, there are some real high speeds being done everyday down the east/west streets... I don't have kids, but some really terrific neighbors do, all over LB. What? Nailing people who speed through neighborhoods requires exaggeration?
Lloyd January 20, 2012 at 02:33 AM
So adding more stop signs isnt the answer either, since most of you have stories about drivers who routinely speed through them. And speed bumps isnt the answer either. And adding more one way streets, adding more cops, cameras, traffic lights, bike paths, etc etc. arent the answers either. And NEAL.......FYI: I stop my car at all stop signs and wait for bike riders and pedestrians to cross. I'm not in any particular hurry and havent been found guilty of speeding or stop sign violatiin since my less responsible youthful days over 30 years ago. And my backside is probably smaller and less wrinklier than yours. My suggestion of imposing a $5 tax on all alcoholic drinks is not any less feasible than yours. Long Beach IS a city and can impose specific business fees if it wants. And if that reduces bar room drinking and drunk driving, its a more logical remedy than your speed bumps.
Lloyd January 20, 2012 at 02:40 AM
Speaking of Brooklyn.... Born in Brownsville/E. New York....Stone and Pitkin Ave. Wanna maje somethin' of it?
Thomas T January 20, 2012 at 02:46 AM
Kasey, I must have hit a nerve, and you must not have read far enough down the thread. Lots of people seem to know what I mean about the Lawn Guyland accent. It's nothing to do with a ghetto, unless you call a bunch of self-entitled cretins with more money than taste lving in a cluster of splanches a ghetto. Oh well.
Richard Boodman January 20, 2012 at 04:03 AM
Yeah LLoyd. You're not the only one who has spent time in Betsey Head Park and the Pitkin Theater. Who cares?
Happy Daze January 20, 2012 at 12:11 PM
So pretty much there are between 958 and 1000 accidents during the 365 day period we call a year. That's less than 3 accidents per day. How many cars drive through LB during a 24 hour period? Tens of thousands. This is a non story.
Trying to Make Sense January 20, 2012 at 12:43 PM
Lloyd... read. I don't support speed bumps. My idea requires State approval. You are wrong about the City's taxing power and your speculations re backsides. You are missing the point of this, and other debates on Patch. But consistency is a laudable trait.
Vivian G January 20, 2012 at 01:23 PM
Why did the city spend money to place speed bumps on Minnesota ave between Beech and park then spend more money to remove them?
toolittle January 20, 2012 at 01:51 PM
Good question. I was under the impression that the West End was getting more speed bumps, not taking away !
Vivian G January 21, 2012 at 12:46 AM
The speed bumps need to be placed back, cars drive between Beech and Park speeding and worse on Friday and Saturday nights when the bars are open late especially Minnesotas. Twice my park cars were hit in the middle of the night, once by a delivery truck and worse it was a hit and run.
Lloyd January 21, 2012 at 01:36 AM
Speed bumps belong in parking lots and senior citizen developments, NOT on public streets. They are more,annoying and destructive than they are worth. Neal....And Long Beach City doesnt have the power to impose any taxes or fees on bars and their drinks? Just checked back...it was Vivian, Richard and Anthony who advocated more speed bumps. You just criticized my derriere and my driving.
laocoon January 21, 2012 at 04:02 AM
Probably why the Feds outlaw them on public streets...
delete me January 21, 2012 at 01:53 PM
Speed bumps reduce "cut through" traffic on the streets they're implemented; diverting vehicles to the next street over. You are now moving the problem, not solving it. Speed bumps slow down response time for emergency vehicles and cause problems for wheelchairs as we have little to no sidewalks on residential streets here. They're also hazards to motorcyclists and bicyclists.
paul.d.spellman January 21, 2012 at 01:59 PM
Awesome, Now is not the time to interject common sense and logic into this conversation. http://www.speedbumpsoneveryblockinLB.org
Eddie January 21, 2012 at 03:48 PM
Because the City was cited by the Department of Transportation after complaints. It didn't want to pay the fines for illegally constructing them.
Eddie January 21, 2012 at 03:50 PM
This is about emotions, not fact. Emotions seem to run Long Beach. Probably why the place is bankrupt, declining and losing affluent residents.
Trying to Make Sense January 21, 2012 at 04:08 PM
So weigh in on State legislation that would increase penalties and points for neighborhood infractions (and revenues for munis) Paul. Eddie, I hope you might consider that a worthwhile (though difficult to achieve due to process) idea. This cowboy driving in residential areas is a problem everywhere, not just LB. Paul, common sense and logic and facts should guide the conversation, but all the facts required for our consideration are not available, just accident stats... not near accidents. A fact: many people consider this a quality of life issue, especially in the summer. Another consideration, perhaps those who live in apt/high rises, perceive this problem differently than those who watch the close calls play out from their front yards. Try to empathize with those who lack your ability in condescension.
Thomas T January 21, 2012 at 05:00 PM
Wow, Eddie, aren't you a ray of sunshine? Where are all the affluent residents going? Which of the signs of decline do you think is worst: 1) The West End Beautification Committee 2) The Quicksilver Surf Competition 3) The new restaurants all over town 4) The Farmer's Market 5) The excellent public library ???
Eddie January 21, 2012 at 07:38 PM
The affluent are leaving New York State. Long Beach is no exception, and the decline has been almost double that of the state. Household income in the Long Beach census tracts declined 13% between 2000 and 2010. There is plenty of good ln Long Beach and in New York, but you must admit that we face some challenges that are causing many with the option to flee. On a personal note, a guy with significant real property holdings in town has got to fear municipal bankruptcy which hugely affects him, his assets and and the quality of life of his tenants. Many others, well, they'll just keep watching television reruns and enjoy the beach.
Thomas T January 21, 2012 at 08:27 PM
I make a more than decent living and I'm not going anywhere, but I'm not sure what this has to do with speed bumps. texting princesses with Bumpits, or rambunctious bums. I suppose we could tie your gloom & doom back to the municipal cost of solving the accident problem and discuss what is the most cost-effective solution. But I should point out that a population decline plus a household income decline doesn't really translate into "the affluent are leaving". During the 2010 census, the economic crisis we are in was well underway, which effected the income of people who chose to stay. But correlation doesn't equal causation. It's more accurate to say that people are leaving New York, and we are also having a decline in household income.
Eddie January 21, 2012 at 08:45 PM
Where have you been, Thomas T. We've missed your posts for awhile.
Thomas T January 21, 2012 at 08:59 PM
Thanks, Eddie. I've been around, just busy with work. You'd be amazed at what people who work in financial services will get up to if they think no one is watching! ;)
Bill Bennett January 22, 2012 at 10:18 AM
Ok so I see what you are all writing but what about the question? Did the stop signs make a difference because as I see it, it didn't. I see all the speed bumps and bike lanes you are stating in your comments but no one answered the question. If I remember from the other thread the people who pushed for the stop signs had alot to say. As I said stops signs used to slow speeders down are not the answer and never will be. They only add to the problem. Just my opinion
Eddie January 22, 2012 at 03:27 PM
Apparently the Feds agree with you Bill, as the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices makes makes it illegal to use Stop signs to control traffic speed.
Thomas T January 22, 2012 at 03:39 PM
See - I had no idea, Eddie, but that makes sense. Stop signs are more logical as a safety device than speed control. Anyone with any thoughts on targeted enforcement? I'm not a big fan of giving Johnny Law carte blanche, but it is the job of the police to act as both a punishment and a deterrrent when people are violating laws that protect us. Judge: "Excuse me, miss? Why is this ticket... orange? Defendant: "Oym saw-RAY, yah Honah. Oy was so upset about it that I sweated off my spray tan!"
Candygram for Mongo January 22, 2012 at 04:27 PM
"Oy". Hmmm.
Thomas T January 22, 2012 at 05:10 PM
Yeah, loike, Oy always go ta Angel Tips ta get moy nails done. Do ya like 'em? Then there's moy hoy-lights. Oy get them done at Joseph Christafah.
Lloyd January 23, 2012 at 04:58 AM
How about synchronizing the traffic lights? Especially on Park and Broadway. Could save on gas and eliminate the need for my gal to speed down Long Beach Blvd to make the light at E Broadway. I cringe and close my eyes. She claims everyone does that. Ive been guilty of speeding through the yellow lights on E Park to try beat them before the next one turns red. Sychronized lighrs would be a good safety precaution. Anybody else want to 'fess up for some bad driving habits?
Richard Boodman January 23, 2012 at 05:50 AM
@ Bill Bennett and Eddie A traffic study was done by VHB Engineering of Hauppauge in 2010. The P.E.'s who did the work are Thomas A. Mazzola, former Director Of Traffic safety in Huntington and Harold T Lutz, formerly with Public Works and Traffic and Transportation in Nassau county. They recommended the addition of the over 100 stop signs that were added. In 2006, at the Good and Welfare session of the City Council, the traffic officer told us that after installing additional stop signs at a few locations in Long Beach and monitoring the results after six months, there was an almost 50% reduction in traffic accidents at those locations without any police presence or education and he was recommending that additional stop signs be put in place. Unfortunately, that didn't happen at that time and a man was killed on the corner of Olive and Monroe. The addition of ALL WAY stop signs have helped. Ask anyone who lives on Olive Street or Walnut Street and the boulevards adjacent to them. It's a good beginning. With aggressive enforcement and the synchronizing of the traffic lights, the accident numbers will fall.


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