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Patch Question: Will More Stop Signs Mean Fewer Accidents?

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Residents who called for more stop signs in Long Beach await an analysis of traffic accidents for 2011. Starting in December 2010, the City of Long Beach installed more than 100 stop signs at intersections through the city, many in new locations and along the boulevards, in an effort to reduce traffic accidents.

According to police statistics, there were 961 accidents reported in the city in 2010, with 25 involving pedestrians or bicyclists, and four fatalities. The intersection of Long Beach Boulevard and Park Avenue had the most accidents, with 87. It has topped the list of intersections with the most accidents, according to statistics going back to 2007. The other intersections that were typically in the top five during that time were Long Beach Boulevard-East Pine Street, Riverside Boulevard-East Park Avenue, West Park Avenue- Edwards Boulevard, and the Waldbaum’s parking lot.

The most recorded accidents were in 2007, at 1000, and the fewest were the following year, at 958. There were 10 fatalities recording in all from 2007 to 2010.

What do you expect from the 2011 traffic analysis, after more than 100 stop signs were installed in the city? Voice your thoughts in the comments.

Trying to Make Sense January 12, 2012 at 03:27 PM
Yes Joe, I think that may be the case. But as Bob Binder states above, we need to look at the alternatives. When I moved into my home in 1991, there was just one stop sign from Park to Broadway at Beech. Cars would fly down Lincoln and often blow that stop sign due to speed. Anyone crossing Lincoln east/west, if they were slightly inattentive or couldn't see due to parked cars on the median...screech and boom (my father in law was T boned twice at Olive! His fault but...). So now, people roll through stop signs, but the block is much safer as the stop signs force the slow down at each corner. Patcher Eddie once said that stop signs are not intended to slow down traffic, and I know he is correct, but I think it is working to make our neighborhood streets safer. I also think that Lloyd is correct in suggesting that all stop signs need to be evaluated for optimal placement and that they be illuminated with those bright neon stripes that are on some of them.
Elizabeth Treston January 12, 2012 at 03:31 PM
It would be helpful if the trees that cover the Stop sign viewing would be cut back. Is this a homeowner’s responsibility or the City’s? I'd assume if a driver is unfamiliar with our streets that this might cause him/her to violate the sign. Perhaps STOP should be blazoned on the road as suggested above. There, unfortunately, are drivers that break the rules of the road despite efforts to enforce them.
delete me January 12, 2012 at 03:57 PM
as long as our lanes are ridiculously wide, straight and flat no stop sign or reconfigured light will prevent what is inevitable. road narrowing aka "dieting" is soooo traffic calming 101 and statistically proven.
Packanig January 13, 2012 at 04:32 AM
The people who get in accents roll through intersections or drive too fast to begin with. These guys will keep rolling through stop signs and driving a bit to fast no matter what. Stinkin stop signs only make the whole pedestrian business more dangerous. People think cars will stop, when actually very few people can see a Jewish man dressed in all black in the middle of the night. It will just annoy people and encourage communism.
Packanig January 13, 2012 at 04:34 AM
Hey awesome, was it Janet-from-another-Planet?
Packanig January 13, 2012 at 04:37 AM
I'm pretty sure new drivers are more concerned about keeping their license, and keeping their insurance payments low. The only people who roll through speed through the canals are the pigs, delivery guys, and just about anyone older than about 50.
Tim Kramer January 13, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Show me another place in the country that makes you stop every 100 feet. It's so unenjoyable to drive anywhere in this city without getting completely frustrated and start blowing stop signs. I feel it makes people drive more aggressively. The wear and tear on your car is another issue. Breaks, tires, mechanical componets, and let us not forget how the fuel economy suffers when your constantly stopping 15 times to go to the supermarket. We all want to be a green society and anyone who drives in this town is getting 10 miles to the gallon regardless of the car you drive. These signs are nothing but an attempt to let someone pound there chest with another look what I've done because I'm so special. Get over yourself your not that important and neither are these rediculous, stupid stop signs. They don't save lives they make the city of Long Beach look inept to the rest of the free world again and again and again...........
Trying to Make Sense January 13, 2012 at 01:06 PM
Tim, if you want to get to locations faster, why not get to Park or Broadway? The stop signs are in neighborhoods with homes, kids, bikes, and pedestrians, places where cars need to drive slower and caution at intersections is required. You make a good point about green concerns and auto wear and tear, but only if you are gunning it and stopping hard. My instantaneous MPG gauge shows ok gas mileage when I'm light on the pedal in neighborhood driving. Most suburban neighborhoods I drive in, on LI and the rest of the "free world" also have lots of stop signs. I understand your frustration but not your solution.
William T Powers Jr January 13, 2012 at 03:39 PM
I do not believe more stop signs will help anything. Too many drivers either roll through stop signs or just ignore them. I personnaly almost hit a brand new Corvette that didn;t even slow down for the stop sign and then got cursed out by the driver. DUH... Why isn't the LBPD on top of this? There are cameras at red lights now, why not try to put wireless cameras on the stop signs. This would give the LBPD a real working knowledge of how people are driving and NOT stopping at stop signs.
delete me January 13, 2012 at 04:34 PM
"let us not forget how the fuel economy suffers when your constantly stopping 15 times to go to the supermarket. We all want to be a green society and anyone who drives in this town is getting 10 miles to the gallon regardless of the car you drive." If you want to be a green society you wouldn't drive to the market, dude. Seriously, how big is Long Beach and big is your list of excuses to drive instead of walk, bike, or take public transit?
delete me January 13, 2012 at 04:39 PM
I have zero sympathy for any able bodied driver complaining about wear and tear or the annoyance of stopping at every sign when driving within the confines of Long Beach. Really, have you SEEN how small and how FLAT this city is?! Walk, bike, public transit....stop signs are wrong but not for the reasons some of you are suggesting.
Richard Boodman January 13, 2012 at 08:01 PM
@Tim Kramer 7:46AM....FYI..It's 200 feet on the boulevards and 500 feet on the streets. Having said that, it really doesn't matter if Long Beach is the only place where the stop signs are so close to one another. What matters is saving lives and property. Because of poor enforcement, aggressive drivers have been allowed put all of us at risk. Did you know that we have had a thousand traffic accidents a year, year after year and too many related deaths? A traffic study was done by VHB Engineering of Hauppauge in 2010. The P.E.'s who did the work are Thomas A. Mazzola, former Director Of Traffic safety in Huntington and Harold T Lutz, formerly with Public Works and Traffic and Transportation in Nassau county. They recommended the addition of the over 100 stop signs that were added. In 2006, at the Good and Welfare session of the City Council, the traffic officer told us that after installing additional stop signs at a few locations in Long Beach and monitoring the results after six months, there was an almost 50% reduction in traffic accidents at those locations without any police presence or education and he was recommending that additional stop signs be put in place. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. TO BE CONTINUED
Richard Boodman January 13, 2012 at 08:09 PM
@ Tim Kramer 7:46AM (CONTINUED) If motorists drove responsibly, didn't speed down our side streets, and there was on-going enforcement, we wouldn't need all these stop signs. However, that's not the case. So, live with the wear and tear and be thankful that you are not a statistic. P.S. I hope you are not one of those people who gets on their horn when I come to a full stop. It's not going to work!
Packanig January 13, 2012 at 09:13 PM
Richard I think it's time for you to realize that the government of long beach stopped caring about laws LONG ago.
Lloyd January 14, 2012 at 01:28 AM
How about getting pedestrians and bike riders to respect the traffic laws too? I cant tell you how many times after dark pedestrians and bike riders darted out of nowhere in front of my car, and in the middle of the block. And I nearly hit them. Stop picking on us drivers and start arresting the jaywalkers and jaybikers?
Richard Boodman January 14, 2012 at 01:38 AM
I'm a driver too Lloyd. Nobody's picking on you, unless you drive like the guy on my tail honking his horn when I made a full stop on Olive and Edwards this morning . The jaywalkers and bike riders should be following the law too. In Manhattan, some bike riders are more dangerous than motorists. It's a matter of education and enforcement that we need to make our streets safe for the responsible bicycle riders, pedestrians and motorists. Lets all work together to that end.
Richard Boodman January 14, 2012 at 01:41 AM
@Packanig 4:13PM......They did and nobody knows that more than I. However, there's a new team running Long Beach. I have a feeling we are going to fare a lot better with them.
Misty January 14, 2012 at 01:44 AM
Bingo, Richard. It's everyone's duty to obey the laws of the road. I, too, am a full stop stopper and I always say to myself, "go ahead, hit me". I don't care if you're in a rush. Wake up a few minutes earlier and take your time. Your day will be so much more pleasant.
laocoon January 14, 2012 at 02:47 AM
The stop signs are a pain and a testament to the over development of this City and the immaturity and self-absorption of its residents. What a shame that law abiding drivers have to be reduced to the lowest denominator by being forced to stop every 250 feet. A pathetic situation indeed.
Trying to Make Sense January 14, 2012 at 04:50 AM
Do you mean 10 year old bikers Lloyd? Look, of course everyone has got to play it safe and obey basic rules of the road. But as a walker, runner, biker and driver, I can assure you that in the first three roles I have much greater incentive to not get hit... thousands of pounds of metal attached to engines usually win the battle with the other three. Get real. When you are in neighborhoods where people live we need to, as car drivers, recognize the damage we can do to pedestrians and bike riders, many of them kids who lack your incredible intelligence and judgment. Use your power brakes. Use your big engine. Let the pedestrian or biker pass, then step on the gas. No sweat for you as sit in your air conditioned car and pull away from the corner. Or if the biker or pedestrian is in the wrong, just hit them. Stand over the body and scream at the writhing bloody victim "I had the right of way!". If it is a kid, yell at their parents for not teaching them the rules of the road. Then get together with Iaocoon and lament the loss of your freedoms in the nanny state over a beer.
Lloyd January 14, 2012 at 11:40 AM
I still see a need for illuminated stop signs since so many are hidden by parked cars and trucks, trees and bushes, and Long Beach mist and fog. And a lot of us older drivers dont see too good at night. Darting bikes and pedestrians are a much bigger hazard here in Long Beach than in my old neighborhood of Massapequa where everyone drove or was driven. I'm thinking of attaching a cow catcher to the front of my car like the locomotives had in the 1800's. That'll scoop 'em all off the street..
Packanig January 14, 2012 at 03:33 PM
No one fares betta' wid an ultra liberal bre'd spendin' agenda. De new city administrashun be goin' t'do so's much wo'se dan de last one. What it is, Mama! Just wait and see. What it is, Mama! It be also de law dat ya' kin't start fum some stop sign until de sucka' reaches de oda' side uh de sidewalk, and dat when some farm bus' red lights are goin' all sides uh de street in all direcshuns must stop. But hey, give tickets t'12 year olds right?
delete me January 14, 2012 at 03:55 PM
Lloyd and others, Realize that your vehicle does not have the right of way nor do you own the streets. Bikes, skaters, and the wiggle-guy have EQUAL amount of right to use our roads as we also are paying for them with our tax money. Furthermore, as all of your parking spaces in the City of Long Beach are subsidized (free, you're welcome) and paid for by not only you and other car owners but by all tax paying nondrivers (those pesky bikers and pedestrians) who receive nothing but car horns and crap from self righteous drivers such as yourself. Bikes and all other forms of transportation have the right to a safe use of our streets. We are not the hazards, you and anyone else who thinks being bigger and being motorized is a God given right to dominating the streets. Granted, the entitlement you feel in the size of your car probably is compensation for lack of size elsewhere.....
delete me January 14, 2012 at 04:00 PM
I can't tell you how many drivers don't pay attention and nearly hit pedestrians and bikers. Noone is picking on drivers; you get nothing but incentives for having a car here.
Lloyd January 14, 2012 at 11:55 PM
I think.you are being very intolerant and confrontational, AWESOME. Im not looking to hit or bully anyone or dominste the road, but safety is something that EVERYONE has to be cocerned with and responsible for...NOT just the motorists. Most of us do our best to avoid an accident, but we have our rights too. And they are the right to drive safely without the overuse of annoying and unnecessary stop signs. Regarding safety...I'm the guy who's been screaming on here for the past 6 months to replace the Loop Pkwy drawbridge after a fatal traffic accident occured there and then another serious one happened a few months later. I deeply care for the safety of drivers and pedestrians, but was thoroughly ridiculed for my concern over the serious accidents at the drawbridge. Nobody here thought the State should spend our tax money to build a safe bridge, but now they want our City to spend tax money for more stop signs and cameras. I just dont get the hypocracy here.
delete me January 15, 2012 at 03:15 PM
Lloyd, I do not believe you, of all Patch users, should be using the word "intolerant" in an accusatory manner. Then again, I am rather intolerant and confrontational IRL towards actions by others that may jeopardize my safety and quality of life. If you want to see some real hypocracy, go read the thread of everyone complaining about the uncollected parking tickets.
Lloyd January 18, 2012 at 02:08 PM
Awesome....I just dont get it when it comes to all those traffic and parking ticket scofflaws. If I dont pay my tickets on time, the County sends out stern warning letters, doubling the fine and threatening to revoke my license and/or registration. So the Patch article is telling me that nothing EVER happens to these scofflaws and I'm a fool for paying the fine? When I do get a ticket I ALWAYS contest it. Every single time either the fine gets greatly reduced or the cop never shoes up in court, or the judge rules in my favor and throws out the ticket. Am I in the minority here? As it is, the traffic court is overwhelmed with people showing up present their case. Tge courts look to adjudicate these cases as quickly and fairly as possible. So that usually means tossing out many of the tickets and greatly reducing the fines on the others All in the name of quick and cheap justice for all. BTW....I am intolerant of drug and alcohol abusers. I have been victimized by both among my friends and family. I'm sick and tired of making up excuses for them, coddling them, bailing them out, and covering up for their crimes and misbehavior. Its about time these addicts take sole responsibilty for their addictions, and stop dragging the rest of the world down to their low level.
mildred petrassi January 19, 2012 at 04:28 PM
Llyod.......let's re-vist the two elderly ladies who were in fact telling the truth about their strip seach ordeal......on the 11:00pm news last nite; the TSA ADMITS WRONG DOING. They weren't looking for a free ticket; and they were abused.
Lloyd January 21, 2012 at 02:51 AM
I still dont believe it, Mildred. What was their motive? The TSA admission didnt go nearly as far as the old women claimed. Its like all the people who claim they found rat hairs in their Big Macs, or tripped and fell on the wet floor at WalMart. I am in the legal field and have nearly 40 years of reasons to be skeptical.
michael coppola August 14, 2012 at 03:00 PM
The most ignored STOP signs and most dangerous intersections in all of Long Beach are the ones along Oceanview in the west end… You take your life in your hands if you are walking or biking along Oceanview on a sunny beach day or a summer NIGHT!!! Cars consistently race through these intersections without even slowing down. One of the worse spots is at New York Ave. If you leave a police officer/car on that corner (hidden off the corner on Oceanview) every day we could end the Long Beach budget crisis by the end of the summer… But we are ALL overlooking something just as bad or actually even worse… “RIGHT ON RED”!!! This rule needs to be rescinded immediately!!! A bike rider or pedestrian no longer has the right of way… People don’t even look for pedestrians… They are just interested if another car is coming and they only look back to their left, never looking to their right or both ways to see if a pedestrian is crossing. You are lucky if they even slow down. “Right on Red” is no different than a stop sign… You need to STOP and only proceed if the intersection is CLEAR… that means cars and pedestrians alike!!! WAKE UP IDIOTS!!!! The cars and pedestrians who have the GREEN… HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY!!!!

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