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Question of the Day: Bike Lanes in Long Beach?

Weigh in with your thoughts on this topic.

Bike lanes are coming to the streets of Long Beach—that is, if a new bicycle program the City Council, approved Tuesday proves it can prosper in the beach town.

The Miami-based Decobike will start a citywide bicycling rental-sharing program later this year and, as part of the company's contract with the City of Long Beach, will provide for the costs of creating bicycle lanes, possibly by next year. The city and the Long Beach Police Department will conduct the necessary work to determine where the bike lanes will be installed.

Answer this question in the comments: What are your thoughts on bike lanes possibly coming to Long Beach?

Bob Binder a.k.a. "Vitaman" July 10, 2011 at 05:37 PM
Joel, The bike rack in front of my store has probably been there 30 years so I have had plenty of time to witness the people that use them. More and more I see baskets and back packs. My store is not a one stop destination, but part of a shopping outing. It has always been a complaint by my customers that they have a hard time parking. More bike riders translate into less traffic congestion. More people are using bikes less as a form of recreation, but a re-creation of a better quality of life. And...BTW...I agree that the boardwalk is an abomination...and I don't understand why the city has never instituted yearly treatment of wood preservative. The pressure treated southern pine will last for years with proper maintenance.
Bob Binder a.k.a. "Vitaman" July 11, 2011 at 11:44 AM
The study concluded in adding 41 stop signs throughout the city. Read it for yourself. This is the link to the traffic safety evaluation: http://www.longbeachny.org/vertical/Sites/%7BC3C1054A-3D3A-41B3-8896-814D00B86D2A%7D/uploads/%7B1138D2E3-45D0-4C61-86B2-86818BD75AB0%7D.PDF
Lobster July 11, 2011 at 11:59 AM
In a nutshell for those not reading the evaluation, almost $10k was spent to be advised the city needs 40 more stop signs, basically a 4 way stop on each and every street corner in the city -- and that will stop accidents. Right.
Bob Binder a.k.a. "Vitaman" July 11, 2011 at 12:18 PM
Lobster...was the study worth $25 per stop sign...who knows? At least it accents(due to the unyielding efforts of Richard Boodman) the often dangerous driving conditions that exist in the city. I, for one, applaud the 4 way stop signs on a corner such as W Market and Magnolia. Oncoming northbound cars were obscured by the parked cars along Magnolia, and I had to stop at the stop sign and then creep towards Northbound Magnolia. I figure the odds are more in my favor with someone rolling the stop sign (illegal) than banging through the unregulated intersection at 30MPH (legal).
Eddie July 11, 2011 at 01:23 PM
In this country, a municipality can't just put stop signs wherever it, or some loud mouth, wants. Just because someone is appointed City Manager or elected Councilman doesn't make him an expert in traffic control. So the law requires a study by a licensed individual before certain laws and ordinances are enacted. Thus the "traffic study" before the stop signs were installed.
LB4 July 11, 2011 at 01:51 PM
The ironic thing is that some of these added stop signs may just make it less safe. I have watched dozens of cars at West Market and Lafayette, right in a row, literally blow right through the new stop sign without slowing down much. In fact, I find it rare to see a car actually make a full stop there. I think that by adding signs in some places it has "drowned out" the importance of each sign at their respective intersection. Where some motorists may have made full stops at 3 signs in the past, now they are rolling through 6 without stopping...
Eddie July 11, 2011 at 05:57 PM
That's exactly why the Uniform Traffic Control Manual and the State advises against this, and why a study was needed -- to contradict established policy and federal regulations.
V. P. R. July 11, 2011 at 06:54 PM
Who cares about all this BS !! Bike Lanes!! Stop Signs!! Who cares !!! Long Beach Seemed to be just fine the way it was * Just Fix that old broken Down Boardwalk * Start with that FIRST !!!
toolittle July 11, 2011 at 08:14 PM
Please make your accusations directly. Its been a few days since you made this claim, I would back it up with names if you want to be believed. Otherwise I would remove this post.
Bob Binder a.k.a. "Vitaman" July 12, 2011 at 12:22 AM
Wouldn't you know it...but I missed the last two pages of the study. A total of 107 stops signs were recommended!
Richard Boodman July 12, 2011 at 02:33 AM
I disagree, LB4. The all way stop signs are doing a good job of reducing accidents. The motorists do slow down and defer to one another at the intersections. True, many roll through. However, they are more cautious than before. Even those fools who blow through the stop signs have a better chance of not being involved in an accident because they are all way. What's lacking is serious enforcement. In the meantime, the all way stop signs are helping save lives and property.
Richard Boodman July 12, 2011 at 02:56 AM
Eddie, aren't the ordinances supposed to be enacted before the stop signs are installed?
Eddie July 12, 2011 at 12:31 PM
Of course the ordinances must be enacted before the signs are installed. Otherwise the sign has no legal authority. But the City could say they installed them immediately to correct a dangerous situation and enacted the ordinance later; I suppose that would be fine. Sloppy but fine. As you know, Rich, the Democratic "coalition" doesn't seem to exhibit too much respect for the Rule of Law.
Eddie July 12, 2011 at 12:49 PM
Of course the study told the City what they paid to be told. Studies are usually like that. The question the engineer had to answer was whether a bad condition existed that could be best alleviated by disregarding the Federal guidelines. Apparently the engineer said it did. I haven't read the study, so I'm making assumptions here. A person receiving a ticket for traversing such a stop sign could use the Uniform Manual to his defense. He can say the signs don't comply with Federal standards. The prosecutor would use the study for his prosecution, arguing that they were legally installed after an independent study determined their need. The judge would then sort it out, probably supporting with the ordinance. The signs also have to be mounted correctly. This is another issue. Many are not and are therefore less visible that required. The people wanted stop signs and now they've got them.
david katof July 12, 2011 at 08:38 PM
the boardwalk is a dangerously worn out and neglected structure.the plastic coated ramps get slippery when wet. nails pop. anyone who can see ,just has to look down and see a decaying structure. the city keeps putting off what has to be done and the responses to anyone questioning their lack of repair is given a lame answer that usually lacks truth. if it can't be fixed.. tell us. long beach starts at the ocean, then goees to the boardwalk and everything begins after that. we need this boardwalk to be safe for older people, younger people and all people.repair it. replace it, but don't put a bandaid on a gaping wound.
Beth feuerstein July 14, 2011 at 10:44 AM
I am an avid bicyclist and motorist....(though not necessarily at the same time). I'd like to know if bicyclists should be obeying the same rules of the road as motorists? (stopping at stop signs and on Park Avenue....stopping at red lights). While motorists may not be the most careful.....I routinely witness bicyclists blowing through stop signs on Shore Road and Park Avenue and running red lights on Park Avenue. If there are to be bike lanes....and therefore an atmosphere of road sharing with motorists....isn't there an obligation to follow the rules of the road (or am I delusional?). BethRose
Lobster July 14, 2011 at 11:05 AM
Article in today's Newsday : http://www.newsday.com/long-island/li-bike-fatality-rate-highest-in-metro-area-1.3023831
paul.d.spellman July 14, 2011 at 11:13 AM
Beth, No, bicyclists do not need to follow the rules of the road, in fact since they are smaller than most motorized vehicles they have the right of way, except of course for postal trucks since they are federal.
Beth feuerstein July 14, 2011 at 11:34 AM
What? So bikers can run stop signs and red lights and create hazards?
Lobster July 14, 2011 at 11:47 AM
What country do you live in Paul, there rules even for pedestrians: cross at the green, not in between comes to mind.
Eddie July 14, 2011 at 12:14 PM
Hi Beth. Of course bicycles must follow all traffic regulations. Here's the law: "Section 1231 (NYSVTL). Traffic laws apply to persons riding bicycles. Every person riding a bicycle upon a roadway shall be granted all of the rights and shall be subject to all of the duties applicable to the driver of a vehicle by this title..." Now I'd hate to see the cops swoop down on everyone on a bike, but life would be nicer -- and safer -- if people behaved as they should have been taught as kids. Respect authority and the law and follow it.
Beth feuerstein July 14, 2011 at 12:55 PM
Thank you Eddie~~ that's what I thought!!!! Funny....when I stop at a stop sign when I'm cycling...I get looks of total amazement from pedestrians (who are probably grateful that I am not plowing into them!!!) I also stop at red lights (when I'm cycling!). I do have to buy a horn or bell though!
Gerald Cymbalsky July 14, 2011 at 01:52 PM
Hi bob...... NYPD caught that creep that killed the little Jewish boy in brooklyn with cameras from diffrent locations.
Brendan July 14, 2011 at 02:16 PM
That's nice. I wonder how murderers got caught before there were cameras everywhere. "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin
Donna Pisacano Brown July 14, 2011 at 02:24 PM
GREAT IDEA! However, the only thought I would like to add at this time is the STRONG NEEDto incorporate bike lanes, especially since Channel 12 news stated this morning, that there are more bike related accidents on the road than car accidents on Long Island. As such, the absolute need for bike lanes in our area as well as other areas on Long Island need to be addressed ASAP for the safety of ALL concerned. Lives are at risk!!!
Beth feuerstein July 15, 2011 at 12:10 PM
Paul...are you sure about what you wrote??? If that were true then those teensy little cars don't have to follow the rules of the road since they are significantly smaller than most motorized vehicles (you know the cars I mean...they seat about 1 or 2 in the front seat (what are they called? GoCars??). I'm just fearful that bikes running stop signs or red lights will result in more fatalities....obviously.
Lisa July 27, 2011 at 04:26 PM
Not to mention the extremely poor condition the boardwalk is currently in. I can't tell you how many flat tires I've had to change on my bike due to splinters. The Boardwalk is NOT the answer. This city needs CLEARLY DEFINED, marked and maintained bike lanes especially along Broadway and Park Ave and Beech St in the west end. We need to encourage cycling as we head to a greener way of living.
Lisa July 27, 2011 at 04:28 PM
Jack you are right. Many times I will see drivers attempting to speed up to "beat the bike" to make a turn, in effect cutting off the cyclist. I've also seen too many cyclists in Long Beach riding without helmets, wearing flip flops and headphones, riding on the wrong side of the road, or carrying surfboards! This is NOT responsible bike riding. Sure, bikes are recreational, and also used for commuting. A responsible rider will dress and ride with utmost caution.
rufus t firefly March 14, 2012 at 11:09 PM
you got that right 2 yrs ago i warned a cyclist coming into the pedestrian lane and i stuck out my arm to protect myself touched her arm she fell and i went to jail she was wrong warned and still continued into the wrong lane i spent the day in jail and spent 5 gs on a lawyer and 7 court visits which all were for nothing but i got it down to a fine and she got nothing she then sued my civilly and couldnt even remember her previous statement her lawyer was exasperated every time she opened her ,mouth i havent seen a ticket given to a cyclist since i got one 20 yrs ago for riding up the ramp which i deserved it is totally a circus out their especially with no enforcement whatsover
delete me May 26, 2012 at 12:41 PM
Does DecoBikes really think those are bike lanes?!?

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